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DavidInNYC



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomer wrote:


*SPOILER*

I thought that SMERSH/SPECTRE thing basically was that they didn't really care about losing $115 million in funding that they had given to the warlord in Africa, per se, but rather that they couldn't trust Le Chiffre because he was embezzling/gambling away their money in the form of a put option that he wanted to 'secure' being executed before the expiration date by having a professional bomber destroy the prototype airplane and send the stock price crashing down to about $0.


I wasn't referring to SMERSH/SPECTRE, but the idea that Le Chiffre needed to lose a poker tournament so they could turn him. They had annuonced previously that he made a fortune in the stock market collapse.

But, that brillaintly explains the Mr. White angle and why they needed to kill him.
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Tomer



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidInNYC wrote:
I wasn't referring to SMERSH/SPECTRE, but the idea that Le Chiffre needed to lose a poker tournament so they could turn him. They had annuonced previously that he made a fortune in the stock market collapse.

But, that brillaintly explains the Mr. White angle and why they needed to kill him.


Well, as far as I could tell, Le Chiffre basically made his money off of gambling his client's laundered cash (as he was an accountant/banker), primarily through options deals that were 'securitized' by hiring terrorists to make the prices of the companies go down (usual situation) or up in order to get a nice high return 'interest' from the market. The problem is, of course, that James Bond screws up his plan on 'borrowing' the African warlord's (SPECTRE/SMERSH supported) $100 millions or $115 million in funds quickly and causes him to lose it all by not executing the put options and making a tidy sum of money.

Given the look of desperation that Le Chiffre had on his face after being advised by his broker that the options were not executed and he lost the cost of the options, I would assume he did not have close to $100-115 million in funds available to 'plug up' the massive hole in his client's account and so scrambled to get together $15 million ($10 million to enter and $5 million as an additional pot) in a last ditch gamble to hopefully break even and get the money to cover the loss made on the put option gamble. After all, Le Chiffre is a master of card counting based on his understanding of the probabilities of Poker that are shown.

Basically, Le Chiffre was more a villain of circumstance (through his affiliations with terrorist organizations and his plots to ruin companies (or countries in the accusation that he was involved in 9/11) in order to fix the market so he could make a hefty quick profit) than one of stature (such as a Blofeld). He wants to make easy cash while playing a lower mid level role in his criminal organization's food chain by temporarily borrowing funds and making a killing while his bosses didn't notice. Unfortunately for him, he loses out big in the failed attack on the prototype airplane and eventually loses out to Bond at the end of the big Poker tournament (which, by that time, Mr. White knew all too well that the money was pretty much gone for good and was stacking his chips to get the money back through any means neccessary himself).

The reason that Felix Leiter and James Bond (CIA & MI6) wanted to get Le Chiffre through beating him in the tournament was to corner him completely (as he'd probably be close to broke (and definitely not closer to plugging the gaping hole) and out of time) and force him to turn himself over as evidence against SMERSH/SPECTRE (another reason why Mr. White wanted him dead, I'm sure). It was the last stand for a compulsive gambler who had made himself a good living off of the gambles in the past, and if he lost, he was screwed either way (forced to be a slave to the US and/or UK governments or die at the hands of SPECTRE/SMERSH or the warlord's friends who wouldn't be happy that Bond killed him). Of course, he tries a third option (torturing Bond to get the password), but by then, his hour glass ran out (also, Mr. White had his own plan to get the money back as I mentioned previously).

At least, that's what I got out of the plot, anyway. :)

-Tomer
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Jeremy Billones



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And, why are they playing for dollars outside the United States?


Dollars are the most stable international currency.

Though given this is the Bond franchise, they could have used pounds instead.

(Ain't no way they were using Euros :)

Jeremy Billones
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DavidInNYC



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeremy Billones wrote:
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And, why are they playing for dollars outside the United States?


Dollars are the most stable international currency.

Though given this is the Bond franchise, they could have used pounds instead.

(Ain't no way they were using Euros :)

Jeremy Billones


See, thanks to you and Tomer, a movie I liked makes a little more sense. :)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second weekend:

$37,945,000 Happy Feet
$31,000,000 Casino Royale

Five day estimate:

$51,555,000 Happy Feet
$45,050,000 Casino Royale

Happy Feet's weekend was down just 8.6%, while Casino Royale was down a very strong 24.1%.

Casino Royale is actually still behind the pace of Die Another Day by about $7M, and actually lost about a $1M ground to it over the five day. This coming weekend will be the big tell - DAD ate a big -58.6% drop down to $12.8M. Casino Royale may jump it next weekend as there isn't any great direct competition coming out. I would think The Nativity Story takes some of Happy Feet's crowd rather than Bond's.

John
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Dave Dymond



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Casino Royale is actually still behind the pace of Die Another Day by about $7M, and actually lost about a $1M ground to it over the five day. This coming weekend will be the big tell - DAD ate a big -58.6% drop down to $12.8M. Casino Royale may jump it next weekend as there isn't any great direct competition coming out.


With Casino Royale now in it's 5th week of release, down to #8 and with a box office of $137,574,000, how is it shaping up in comparison to other Bond films? Will it be seen as a hit, moderate hit, or a flop? I used to think that any film that made over 100 Million had to be considered a major hit, but "Batman and Robin" taught me differently, especially when you factor in budgets and salaries. I'm wondering if MGM will consider the Craig as Bond experiment a success and go ahead with another film, or if this is going to spell trouble for the franchise.
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chadlaca



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The domestic gross for "Royale" is just fine and it's actually doing better overseas (already the top-grossing Bond film ever internationally). It's now just $13.4 mil away from beating out "Die Another Day" for the all-time worldwide (domestic and int'l combined) Bond mark of $431.3 million.
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