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khawk20



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking forward to it. Let me know when it's ready, please.
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Frank_Jewett
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad Jokes Reply with quote

Steve Yohe wrote:
The Kevin thing was a joke & John is tring to get me in trouble.


World Class played "Texas When I Die" during Kerry's ring entrance when he defended the NWA title against Terry Gordy in Fort Worth. Of course it was meant as a tribute to David, Tanya Tucker was a bigger star than the goof who wrote and performed "Heaven Must Have Needed A Champion", but it's kinda ironic considering Kerry's descent and demise.

Frank

(My body's here, but my foot's in San Antone?)

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When I die I may not go to heaven
I don't know if they let cowboys in
If they don't just let me go to Texas, Boy!
Texas is as close as I've been.

New York couldn't hold my attention
Detroit City couldn't sing my song
If tomorrow finds me busted flat in Dallas
I won't care, 'cause at least I'll know I'm home.

When I die I may not go to heaven
I don't know if they let cowboys in
If they don't just let me go to Texas, Boy!
Texas is as close as I've been.

I'd ride through all of Hell and half of Texas
Just to hear Willie Nelson sing a country song
Beer just ain't as cold in old Milwaukee
My body's here, but my soul's in San Antone.

When I die I may not go to heaven
I don't know if they let cowboys in
If they don't just let me go to Texas, Boy!
Texas is as close as I've been.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank_Jewett wrote:
several years covering 5/85 to 5/87 with Martel's peak as AWA champ, Hansen's underrated reign as AWA champ, Bockwinkel helping Hennig to become a credible main event threat and plausible champ (Hennig was a dork as a heel - Vince successfully played "Cool" Curt for camp value and it worked better than being the poor man's Flair), and the well remembered and still entertaining fued between the Midnight Rockers and Rose/Somers/Sherri.


Young Martel? Young Hennig? Good Hansen? Good Rockers/Rose/Sherri?

Mmmmm...

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The downside is lots of Ron Trongard, Larry Nelson, and Lord James Blears, not to mention those ugly casinos in New Jersey.


*laugh* Into every life a little rain must fall... and I'm like John, I cut my teeth on mid-80s NWA good and bad, including Warlord/Barbarian/Paul Jones and other goofiness time has blessedly blocked from my memory.

And doesn't everyone like making fun of ugly Jersey casinos?


Lee (who quit watching NWA during the ultra-stupid
Midget era partly because they brought in Vader as a
dumb monster -- so I figured he was just another one
of NWA's long line of disposable fat+roided monsters
who couldn't interview or work worth a damn. Heh.)
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Old School John



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Young Martel? Young Hennig? Good Hansen? Good Rockers/Rose/Sherri?

Mmmmm...



Eh, don't get too excited about Hennig. I got to see plenty of young Henning in the PNW, and it wasn't pretty. His role at that time was "hot-tempered babyface who always does something stupid to lose the match" and he looked the complete goof. He wasn't much better in AWA, his heel stooging was far too clownish, (think Arn Anderson rolling out all his spots in a "serious" match). Also, when pushed as a face, he comes across as such an arrogant prick that he's hard to root for. To continue the Anderson analogies, one could never really buy Ole as a face, he just seemed to be too much of a prick, even when he was trying to play a nice guy...

The Buddy Rose stuff should be golden, people forget just how good he was before he ballooned up in weight.

Cheers,

OSJ
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khawk20



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School John wrote:
The Buddy Rose stuff should be golden, people forget just how good he was before he ballooned up in weight.

Cheers,

OSJ


Problem with the Rose stuff in the AWA is that it's almost all against the Rockers. There are the odd 6-man bouts against other opponents, but not a lot of singles stuff.

Your assessment of Hennig is pretty good, but not for the era described here (85-87). In 85 and 86 he was an up and coming babyface. It was only early in 1987 when he began to slowly turn. People didn't have a problem cheering for him in his early Bockwinkel matches, and he wasn't exactly hated much when he belted Greg Gagne to begin his heel turn.

Hennig vs. Hansen in 1986 were good bouts, I'd recommend those. there are two on video that I know of, one from Vegas, one from another TV taping in a large gym. In at least one he was subbing for Jerry Blackwell, but it may have been both of them (memory is a little hazy).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just converted a shitload of Portland from the Hennig era and I enjoyed the hell out of Curt in those matches. Maybe it was because he was working against some quality opponents (Rose, DK) or maybe I wasn't used to seeing him bleed but I prefer Portland babyface Curt to "maybe I'm a face/maybe I'm a heel mid-90s, collect a check from Lloyd's while I manage some random assholes" Curt.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khawk20 wrote:
Your assessment of Hennig is pretty good, but not for the era described here (85-87).


One of the major themes that attracted me to this period was the transformation of Curt from an annoying young, spunky babyface to a legitimate contender with a sense of weight in the ring. That transformation seemed to take place during 1986. Curt looked badly out of his depth against Jumbo in 12/85 and didn't fare better as Nick's partner in the tag matches either.

I think the first match where I felt like Curt was reaching another level was the draw with Stan Hansen. Curt was still using the roll ups, dropkicks, and monkey flip, but perhaps they were more impressive against a tough old veteran like Hansen.

Nick Bockwinkel did a great job of slowing Curt down, yet still giving him things to do that we hadn't seen before. Curt also stepped it up on offense with suplexes, a piledriver, and a figure four. He actually seemed like he could wear an opponent down rather than relying on a Ricky Morton style fluke pin with a roll up or some quick, stunning move.

Curt was also helped by the shift in talent in 1986. He was the veteran next to Marty Jannetty and Shawn Michaels in the six man tag in Oakland. He was more polished than a converted minor league journeymen like Doug Somers. At the same time he still had more energy and fire than oldsters like Bockwinkel, Ray Stevens, Larry Zbyszko, and even "High Flyer" Greg Gagne.

The shame of Curt's reign is that he was miscast as "Cool" Curt Hennig, a cut rate version of Ric Flair. He would have been so much better as the young babyface holding off the old legends who thought they could take him down and become AWA champ. Curt against a young prospect like D.J. Peterson could be watchable, but it made the title seem minor league. Wahoo was a bigger name, but he hadn't been Flair's nemesis for more than ten years and he was totally washed up by 1987. Curt should have won the title cleanly from Bockwinkel, then had to fend off Bockwinkel, Zbyszko, and any other veteran heels Verne could bring in.

Curt's title reign was a missed opportunity, but his 1986 is still a fascinating study of the maturation of a talented youngster into a main eventer.

Frank
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any thoughts as to what older heels could have been brought in to challenge Curt in 1987-88?

At the end of it all, Lawler could still have gained the belt being a heel in the AWA "proper", but still having his day in Memphis as the hero winning the title.

I often wonder if Verne's main thought on getting Curt the title was to begin the series Curt and Greg had in Minneapolis. They had three or four matches, with the dads involved, and the design was to rekindle the old Gagne vs. Hennig wars and spark some interest in the territories "home state".

It didn't draw great, but at that point I don't think much would have there. Curt as the face champion would have needed some spectacular opposition to rekindle interest there. DeBeers, Larry Z or Manny Fernandez would not have done it.

It had to hurt Gagne a lot that Minneapolis/St. Paul went south on him, even though it was his own fault (I blame moving the TV to Vegas as being a major factor in the Twin Cities losing interest in their home product, but that's just me).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When did TV move to Vegas?

What did Twin City attendance do during the WWF expansion into the area?

What were the cards like of the AWA (i.e. the talent coming and going) and also the WWF?

I do know the AWA did better than one would expect for a while after the invasion of the WWF. The WWF did better than one would have expected *at the time* - invading a successful territory is something the rarely if ever happened prior to that point. But it's been ages since I read the parts of the WON in those days that tracked it. Dave and Mr. Mike were all over it at the time as it probably was the single most interesting and competative part of the Expansion.

This would be a good thread on its own, KHawk. I'd love to see the data and info and opinion dumped in a thread.


John
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I get some time in the next few days, I'll start a thread with what I know and what I think on the subject of the WWF invading the Twin Cities.

The Vegas move was done mostly in conjunction with the AWA landing it's deal on ESPN, from what I recall. I'll check on that, too.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never got a ticket in that mini-cooper & I still have it. In 13 years, I've got 71,000 miles on it. And I never called it Fritz or any other name.

I haven't seen John in 3 years, but in his old age he mellowed some. I used to like when he got into blood feuds with people. No fun anymore.

Kevin is still alive. Can't understand it? Maybe it's because he left Dallas to live in Hawaii.

I never got banned at WC, after that one time. My guess is that it's because no one looks at my stuff. You can get away with a lot of shit, if no one reads it.

My only fan Ken, doesn't even like me anymore.

I was driving around with my 13 year old grand-daughter. She likes the mini-cooper, & she said she wants it if I die. I said by the time I crook, it will be so old she isn't going to want anything to do with it. She'll want a new car. She say no way. I asked her how long does she think I have left, & she said "not long". I said "Three years" & she didn't think it would be that long. So I made a deal with her. If I pass before three years runs out....she gets the car....if I live longer that three...she needs a rich boyfriend. That was 6 months ago, but she isn't going to forget because she made me put the agreement on paper. Seems she didn't trust me. That's why I hate little girls.---Steve Yohe
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably thinks you'll get Alzheimers or something. Needs proof.
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