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2019-2020 L.A. Lakers Thread (That's All Folks)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dallas played like shit. ---Yohe
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the buzz is that the Lakers are listen to / open to offers on Kuzma.

One wishes he were playing better so we could get something more useful. It's also unfortunate given he's a cheap contract this year and next. But it's not working out at the moment, and Bron's grion issues make it pretty clear we need to go all-in on winning when we can.

Not a lot of time before now and the deadline for him to get his shit more together to get his value back. Last night's performance didn't help. He's basically had four straight mediocre games after those first three back from the injury looked good. Even the 19 point game against PHX wasn't all that great as he shot for shit in it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres talk it could be Sacramento. Kuzma would be dealt for Bogdan Bogodonvic.

Feel bad for Kuz. He seems very decent, but is going to get shipped just as the team is primed for a postseason run. Hope he's not a scapegoat for what his trainer said about bron.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

News on AD is that it's not the worst. Probably miss the Mavs and OKC games on the road, though there's a report he'll travel with the team. Almost wish they'd just leave him home to get well and do workout / rehab work at the Laker's facilities.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zach:

Ten NBA things I like and don't like, including the Lakers without LeBron

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1. Some precarious Lakers minutes

It's really the only blemish on an otherwise dominant season: The Lakers average 100.5 points per 100 possessions with LeBron James on the bench -- three points worse than the league's clankiest offense. It's all shooting: The Lakers with LeBron sitting don't get nearly as many profitable shots -- corner 3s and attempts in the restricted area -- and they brick away from just about everywhere.

The Lakers shoot 70% at the rim with LeBron on the floor -- a number that would lead all teams -- and a middling 63% when he sits, per Cleaning the Glass. The drop-off on corner 3s is just as severe. Their expected effective field goal percentage with LeBron -- based on shot location, the identity of the shooter, and the proximity of defenders -- would top the league, but drops to around average without him, per Second Spectrum.

Some of this is bad luck, but most is shaky process. The Lakers have no identity when LeBron sits. Rajon Rondo and Alex Caruso dribble, dribble, dribble, but don't really get anywhere because defenders duck every pick. Someone burps up a contested jumper. Sometimes, the Lakers play these minutes with Anthony Davis at center. Sometimes, they pair Davis and Dwight Howard. Weirdly, they have tread water in the Davis-Howard minutes and hemorrhaged points when Davis mans the middle sans LeBron, per NBA.com. Sometimes they go wild and play without both LeBron and Davis.

It feels weird to say a dose of ballhandling would help, given both Rondo and Caruso are capable. But Caruso isn't a possession organizer, and late-career Rondo is hit-or-miss in that role against top defenses. He has been better as a connector -- a cutter and extra pass guy -- in the middle of possessions than as initiator. (Rondo got a "like" in this space for his connector role last month.)

The Lakers know this. They are looking. They will also ramp up LeBron's playing time in the postseason; there might be only five or six non-LeBron minutes in the highest-stakes games. Davis on his own should win some of those stretches. But entire quarters -- and then games, then series -- can be lost in those segments.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a fucking win.

LeBron remains sublime.

Vogel mixing in matchup zone in the 4th matchup with Dallas was a good sign for the playoffs.

A sweep in OKC tomorrow without Davis would be quite something.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just without Davis but LeBron as well. A very impressive blowout win against a surging Thunder team.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Green out as well. Great for Kuzma to light it up to increase his trade value. He didn't really shoot well on Friday while putting in the point. Much sharper tonight.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't trade Kuzma. Trade talk killed last years team & everytime you trade someone because he isn't doing as well as you expected.... or isn't a superstar....or because there is something green on the other side of the hill...it gets everyone on the team worrying they are next. This team seems like something special …...their record is very good …..part of them playing well is they like each other. All came to the Lakers because they wanted to be part of something special ..…. I wouldn't change this team....this is the team your going to stick with. This computer boy idea of solving everything with making trades is bush. This team is doing well and are together …. don't mess it up. With a team, that is together, messing with one is messing with everyone.....and at the moment all they are thinking about is winning. --- Yohe
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that the Kuzma trade stuff was leaked out on the Lakers side, and with Bron's okay. So for all the togetherness, I'm not sold that Kuzma is the key to the togetherness.

Bron wants to win. This year. It is literally the only thing he cares about with any of these teammates - Title Number 4. The injury last year made that sharp in his mind. The scare with the groin this season only made it stronger. The fact that none of the teams in the NBA, other than the Clippers, really scare him in getting to the Final makes it even sharper.

In turn, Kuzma has been playing for shit most of the year. He's the guy Bron wanted kept out of all the kids, so we kept him. Then he played for shit, and has been banged up. Bron doesn't have time for him to get his shit together.

Just to make it clearer:

Bron's best friend in the world is D-Wade. Bron left him. He was also fine with the Cavs trading him away when that wasn't working. The reason is that Bron wanted to win.

Bron loves Cleveland. He busted his ass twice to make things work there. He left it twice. The reason is that all Bron cares about is winning.

If Kuzma can't get his shit together and specifically contribute to winning, Bron doesn't give a shit about him no matter how much he likes him. Bron has repeatedly cut bait on stuff he loves far more than Kuzma because he saw it getting in the way of his winning.

* * * * *

I'd like to see things work out with Kuzma. But I don't really care if they do. This is a mercenary team. We've sold out soul to get Bron and win out Title Number 17. If Kuzma doesn't work out, he has to go and we need to get someone else. We all know this team needs a more reliable #3 player, one who fits with the others, and one who plays better defense than Kuzma has over the course of his career. If Kuzma can step up into that spot, cool. If not... get him the fuck out of here and get us someone who helps win #17.

Then work on the team next year that can help us with #18.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something has been wrong ---they came a major injury from the off season & the a ankle....he also could get to there with on playing with James & Davis & being #3. He solution seemed to be just shoot the ball & let the star ajust to him. Is he hold back for some reason or not plying his best over some issue? Is there heat in the locker room? Did they leak to to put a fire under him? We don't know. If it's just involves him getting his shit together....and he is starting to come around ….I wouldn't mess with anything.

He has played better in big game & when we really needed him. I don't know if that is good or bad.

The leaking of stuff to make the computer jerks, should be no no. It is never good to get people know what your thinking.

Hey the Clips aren't doing so well. It's not coming together for them. Their whole season is based on their two Laker wins. They played Denver, the #2 right now, and got blown away last night. I think it's important to beat them the next two meetings. We don't think about them much, the Clipper live to beat the Lakers. It's a big fucking deal to them. Their the guys who have to play afternoon games. --- Yohe
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big-time win to kick off the Grammy road trip.

Must suck to be a Rocket. One of the top teams in the west. Two HOF-caliber starters. And the majority of the fans cheered for the Lakers, and MVP chants for LeBron.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cross these Rockets off the list of teams that could give the Lakers an actual series in the playoffs.

Told y’all they’re all Lakers home games when they’re this good.

And I’d keep Kuzma if they can just sign Collison. Need a playmaker besides LeBron. Those 8-10-minute stretches add up quick in the playoffs.

A major goal for the 2nd half is getting non-LeBron AD-led units to be net positives as they should be. Right now they leak leads.

Vogel will likely stagger those two less in the playoffs, but when you’re on 66-win pace, picking nits and fixing them is the way to go.

Next year’s roster might be better (likely will be), but this still might be their best shot to win it all with LeBron-AD.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Collison video analysis by the silverscreenandroll folks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4QMOss_1Q4

That article that it came with:

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2020/1/13/21063344/lakers-free-agency-rumors-darren-collison-youtube-breakdown-la-clippers-stats-analysis-help

And another piece by a Lakers support site:

https://lakersoutsiders.com/2020/01/16/darren-collison-change-los-angeles-lakers

We should get this done ASAP.

Not sold on Kuz because he's so inconsistent. He needs to string together good games.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is an old Clipper & that's where he is going. If he wants to play. So if they got him, who would be replace....You think they'll dump Rondo? Really? Doesn't seem like a good idea....taking the out of the hand of James. Everything is going well...don't mess with it.---Yohe
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