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Bob Morris



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CW DC shows are rolling out Crisis on Infinite Earths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSLAd-G42w8

This one is going to be more than just the culmination of multiple shows on CW (Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, Batwoman). They're also pulling in Black Lightning (which was launched independent of the other shows) and previous DC installments, such as Smallville, Birds of Prey, the 1990s Flash TV show and the Christopher Reeve Superman films (from which Superman Returns emerged).

So this is going to be as much a play to fans of DC as it is about building to a major event, like MCU.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are making the same mistakes the comics did. --- Yohe
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Morris wrote:
Looks like the Black Widow film could be set at some point prior to timeframe of the Infinity War film.

The trailer at least suggests this isn't taking place in a time frame pre-first Iron Man film, as was the case with Captain Marvel and the first Captain America film.


Yeah - it's set between Civil War and Infinity War, when Nat turned on Tony and sided with Steve as a fugitive. That doesn't mean they might not have some flashbacks within it.

Also, if it's a massive hit, they still have the five years between Infinity War and Endgame within which to make another Widow movie. We saw in that stretch Nat taking over the Fury role in that period, and interacting with other Avengers who went out on missions. If this thing makes a billion world wide, which is entirely possible in that Lead Off spot next May, there is going to be huge pressure to make more Widow movies. For all the talk of Florence Pugh (Yelena Belova / Black Widow) taking over the Widow role in the "real time" period of the Next Phase of the MCU... its really Johansson who make/breaks this Widow movie. If $1.1B could make Sony and Disney work out their issues over the next set of Spidey movies, $1B will make Disney beg Johansson to make more Widow movies.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW Steve - did you see that Marvel confirmed in the summer that they're going to do a MCU Fantastic Four?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I didn't …. but they have to do something with the FF. It started everything & was there top comic for years. It being the failure must be killing Marvel's ego. And I'm not sure if there is a way to make them major. So much time has passed with the Marvel Universe that their character development would be way behind all the other hero's. In the comics FF was special, the leaders, and all the other hero's came after them. On film, where were they when the world was falling apart? You would have to start them over as a new thing. Make them young & forget the comic history. That's not the FF. I don't know how they do that. My only solution is to not have them be part of the Marvel Universe. Or reboot the whole Universe. And really is the FF worth it to them. They are doing very well without them. Fans could care less. --- Yohe
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:48 pm    Post subject: Batman Idea Reply with quote

DC should try to get away from trying to get Batman to somehow be as powerful as Superman & other heros with actual superpowers, and go back to the idea of him as just a human being.

I would do a BATMAN VS TRUMP movie. Do a story where Bruce Wayne and Trump were old friends in the old days. Fellow rich guys in Gothan City. Maybe Wayne looks down on Trump, and sees him as a harmless conman, but kind of likes him. Maybe they go to WWE wrestling cards together, and share a joint love for Jimmy Snuka. When Trump goes national & runs for office, Bruce tells him to forget the idea, because he'll be exposed as the creep he really is, but Trump does it anyway. Trump wins & in office attempts to destroy the government, so he can rebuild it in his self image. Trump becomes a Kingpin type badguy. He already has more Orange make up that the Joker, and is as fat as Kingpin.

Wayne sees what is going on and decides to send Batman to stop his old friend....thinking it would be easy. But once he starts going after him, he runs into Russians, the far right, the super rich, corporations (some he uses to run his own business's), facebook and a whole political party filled with the worst criminals in the world. The real chicken shits of the planet. Batman is in over his head, and his fellow super heros refuses to believe anything bad about the president, facebook or computers because they have been brainwashed by their cellphones. Trump destroys Batman's reputation & his Wayne foundation falls apart when his other rich buddy's go against him. Alfred even turn on him. With out all his wealth, Batman becomes just another human. His old friend Superman does hide him in his Fortress Of Solitude, living in a bottle …. with a bunch of lost little people. The ending has Trump driving the Batmobile thru the streets of Washington, as the world waits for a real hero.

They could make that film with no major CG, and if the public hates it, the low budget would mean it would still make money. It would probably get an Oscar nomination, if they hurry before Trump changes the Oscar voters into a all Republican group and lock up George Cooney, and Meryl Streep. Just like he did to Batman. ---Steve Yohe
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been selling my old comics to a comic book store in Alhambra. The first one, was small & filled with nothing important, & the guy gave me $200. Which I used to take Maria to Red Lobster. They worked well for me, so I went back to the garage to put together another book. I was going to put together something I thought was worthwhile.

I planed on showing a complete set of Groo The Wander comics going up to 1987. The artist is famous having started on the 1st MAD Magazines. Groo was a Conan take off. It was published at three companys & the last was DC. The artist, Sargio Aragones, wrote, drew, produces, and owned the comic. They says he draws faster than any other comic artist. I stopped it 1987, when I got into wrestling sheets, but it continues today & stay at the same artistic level. I had like 40 issues in near perfect condition & there was 4 or 5 #1's.

I talked to the comic guy about Groo. He warned about comics today & how the only thing worth anything was Marvel junk. I told about the Groo's & he said there was very little market, but he'd look at them.

I asked if he's use magazines. He said he might. I found a Comics Journal magazine from 1985, issue #105. It was a issue dedicated to Jack Kirby. This was publish in the middle of the period when comic book artists were trying to get Marvel to give Kirby his original art back. It has letters from artists in support of him in his fight. There is a Kirby interview & article by Frank Miller on the importance of Jack Kirby & a petition by 150 pros to Marvel. And the company refused to comment.

There also was a article on the warehouse where Marvel store most of the original art of all their comics. In the early years there was no real storage system & a lot was in boxs that were falling on the floor. It has photos of the warehouse. In 1975, after Marvel figured out that comic book art was going to be worth something, a lady named Irene Vartanoff was employed to catalogue everything there. She ran the the place from 1975 to 1980. She said a lot of art was stolen and Stan Lee liked to giver covers out to people they did business with. The article then has a list of all the art Marvel had in it's vault in 1980. Covers two pages in the magazine.

In the Kirby interview Jack tells how he seemed to sue Marvel & a movie studio in the 1980 over a Captain America poster. The PR for the movie read "Based on Stan Lee's Marvel comic strip character". Kirby proved that Lee had nothing to do with the creation of Captain America & it was a Kirby & Joe Simon's work. So how you see why Marvel gives the artists credit on their movies. Jack claimed that Sten Lee never created anything without an artist.

I reread the mag while eating this afternoon. I'm going to see if this comic guy will bite on this thing. I was impressed with it.--- Steve Yohe
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're airing Crisis on Infinite Earths again this week.

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/crisis-on-infinite-earths-april-rerun-schedule-released-by-the-cw/
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got back from my garage. Going thru my comics I found MARVEL COMICS PRESENT Issue #72 to #84....WEAPON X: WOLVERINE"S origin--bagged with cardboard in perfect condition. Drawn by Barry Windsor Smith.--Yohe
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today ran into my Batman stuff. Bagged & in boxes & in good shape. I never cared about DC or Batman, so some was never read.--Yohe

DC: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller & Kanson 1986

Book one ( The Dark Knight Returns)
Book Two (The Dark Knight Triumphant)
Book Three (Hunt the Dark Knight)
Book Four (The Dark Knight Falls)

DC: Green Arrow: The Lonbow Hunters by Mike Grell (very good)
Book One
Book Two
Book Three

DC: Green Arrow By Mike Grell #1(Feb. 1988) to 6...9 to 14 (Jan 1989) (very good)

DC: Green Arrow 50th Anniversary by Mike Grell (1991)

Shado: Song Of The Dragon by Mike Grell (1992) (very good)
Book 4 only

Eclipse Comics: SCOUT by Timothy Truman #1 (Sept 1985)

First Comics: Grim Jack by John Ostrander & Timothy Truman #1 (Aug 1984) to 14 then 16to 29
DC: Batman:Legends Of The Dark Night: Prey.. by Paul Gulacy & Doug Moench #11 (Sept 1990) #12 #13 #15
DC: Batman:Legends Of The Dark Night: Faith..by Mike Barr & Randy Elliott #21 (Aug. 91) Book one
DC: Batman:Legends Of The Dark Night:Faces #28 by Matt Wagner (March 92) Book one
DC: Batman:Legends Of The Dark Night: Duel, Annual 1991
DC: Batman: Gotham Nights #1 (march 1992) by John Ostrander
DC: Batman: Full Circle by Mike Barr & Alan Davis (GN) 1991
DC: World's Finest: World's Apart by Dave Gibbons & Steve Rude (Very Good) 1990 Book one – World's Apart Book Two – World's Collide Book Three – World's At War
DC: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller & Kanson 1986 Book one ( The Dark Knight Returns) Book Two (The Dark Knight Triumphant) Book Three (Hunt the Dark Knight) Book Four (The Dark Knight Falls)
DC: Batman: Year One by Frank Miller & David Mazzucchelli (GN) 1988
DC: Batman: Year One by Frank Miller & David Mazzucchelli The Comics) Book 2 Book 2 Book 4
DC: Batman: The Cult by Jim Starlin & Berni Wrightson 1988 Book One: Ordeal Book two: Capture Brook Three: Escape Book Four: Combat
DC: Batman: The Killing Joke by Alam Moore & Brian Bolland 1988
Amazling Heros: Miller's Back #69—April15,1985—Frank Miller interview
DC: Batman & other DC Classics #1—Free Comic with Batman's Origin—1948
DC: Batman The Saga Of Ras Al Ghul by Neal Adams & Denny O'Neal #4 1987
DC: Batman Special #1 by Mike Barr & Michael Golden 1984
DC: Batman #253 with The Shadow Non. 1973
DC: Barman #269 Nov. 1975
DC: Batman #272 Feb 1976
DC: Batman #273 March 1976
DC: Batman #295 Jan., 1978-- Michael Golden
DC: Batman #348 June 1982—Gene Colan
DC: Batman #355 Jan 1983—Afredo Alcala
DC: Batman #356—Feb. 1983
DC: Batman #358—April 1983
DC: Batman #360 –June 1983
DC: Batman #363—Sept, 1983—Afredo Alcala
DC: Batman #365 –Nov 1983—Afredo Alcala
DC: Batman #393—Doug Moench & Paul Gulacy 1985 (mint)
DC: Batman #402
DC: Batman #400—Anniversary Issue
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found more of these Batman comic, I didn't realize I had. Most I don't think I read. They had a artist I was interested in or I thought they might be valuable in the future. Hard to explain really. But in selling off the collection, stuff like this, is all the comic buyers are interested in. Most of the Marvel stuff was sold years ago.

As a kid, in the 50's & later, I liked Tarzan. I found a lot of Dell & Golden Key Tarzan & most of the DC & then Marvel Tarzans. A lot of comics I don't care about & no one else either.

Then there are the Conan comics, which I do collect....even the junk being published today. I have a least two of every Conan by Marvel & Dark Horse. Have every Kull & Red Sonya. Complete runs of them. All the King Conan books. Both Comics & Magazines. All the books on Robert E. Howard and anything written about him.

I also had 5 boxes filled with hand written info on every character, place, religion, type of money, country, battle, etc (anything that had a name) ever in a Roy Thomas Conan comic. I wrote them on big index cards, & filed them in boxes. What writing I can do, I learn in working on them. This is stuff I played with before finding the pro wrestling sheets in 1987. Seem strange, but it was before computers. Say on a card about a country, I would talk about what weather, terrain, language, major cities, and religion were used. And I would says what country it relates to today. I even used to draw maps. So I learned how to draw a little bit too. All of that is sitting in the garage raped in bags to keep the dust off. I should had been writing down movie info. It would have a use today.

Roy Thomas seemed to have all this info in his head as he wrote the Conan comic. He was a student of the Hyborian World & Robetrt E. Howard like I was trying to be. When the writers, that followed him, screwed something up...it just pissed me off. What I was trying to do was to treat Conan, like he existed, as a human being, not a comic book character.....and that included his world and the history of the time. It sits in my garage.

When John used to come over to my old Alhambra apartment, this was the stuff laying around the desk in my bed room. My bed was in the living room. During this time before John Williams, I had a girl friend, an ex-wife, ran 5 miles every day, went to work, and saw every movie. But this kept my interest in a time when small talk & BS bored me.

Some other comic stuff I seemed to have been interested in, but now don't remember buying. Yesterday, there was Batman comics that were in mint condition. Which is defined as the pages sticking together as you turn a page. Most comics found in comic book stores can't be called mint.

There were also comic that were really magazine type writing about different comics. I found them mixed into the sections of each characters. Some have really well done writing on the subject.

None of this is worth anything. As my life comes to an end, I would like it to survive without me. The comics I'm interested in, aren't worth anything, so I'm thinking of just giving them to the comic book store guy, who seems cool, selling them doesn't seem right. Hope some young guy will want them.

Glad no one reads this stuff, just verifies how stupid my life has been. Good thing I've enjoyed it. ---Steve Yohe
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The boxes with all the sheets are there. All the letters I got from people were saved. The old sheets are wanted by Tim Hornbaker, so I'll be giving them to him. I don't think there is much in them. The WON are in my living room above my head. When the big Los Angeles earthquake hits, I'll probably be killed by an avalanche of 60 Observers files falling on my head. So Dave can write my Meltzer obsessions finished me.--Steve Yohe
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