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The Rock's return to the WWE
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Rian



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdw wrote:
It's Rock vs Cena at Mania, so it can't be:

* Cena wins Rumble for shot at title at Mania

* Rock vs Cena at Mania for a shot at the title TBD

Just doesn't add up.

John


Cena gets put into a dilemma, does he want the title shot or does he want the Rock? The Rock could have a field day with a good 15 minute segment on the following RAW. They can stretch that out and involve quite a few players over the title shot very easily.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had not thought of that.

Flip side is that they've already gotten across that Rock > WWF Titles.

That kind of was the thrust of the build up to this past Mania: Cena's match for the Title meant less than Rock. So they would somehow have to make Title = Rock or Title > Rock. I don't think they could pull that off. :)

John
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Morris wrote:
WWE better figure out who they want to build the company around. The Attitude Era top guys have reached the end of what they have to give... Rock being the exception, both because he's younger and he didn't stick around as much as the others did.

Regardless, the company can't just keep clinging to their Attitude Era guys.


The problem is aside from Miz to a degree, they dont seem to have faith anymore in a lot of the young guys.

Punk has lost twice in a row.

Delrio lost in a match they were hyping him to win for a while. He'll probably win the title next month but it wont be as noticed as a Mania win wouldve.

Danielson is in a funk. he was treated as Sheamus fodder on RAW.

I would also add Sheamus as well despite him being the US champ.

Barrett is stuck in Corre purgatory.

Morrison's in the doghouse due to his interactions with Trish.


Also I would add that Taker's streak>world titles as it relates to Mania. Someone could forego a chance to win a belt, and instead end Taker's streak. And of course I cant see anyone not named Cena that's a threat.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The degree to which each decade in wrestling seems overwhelmed by nostalgia for the decade prior is striking, and feels like nothing new.

Up until the Austin/Rock movement, so much of the 90s was about endless ways to try and bring back Hogan and Flair. Bret Hart and especially Shawn Michaels have been treated more like that elite tier the last two years than they were in their wrestling prime.

I guess if WWF in 84/85 hadn't had a TV Year Zero with Hogan, Savage and Piper, maybe there would've been (more) Sammartino and Backlund comebacks... the match of the decade was built around an Andre the Giant who was entirely his legend from the 70s and earlier and could barely move.

It's just a loose theory anyways, but the WWE never put all their eggs in the basket of Cena or Batista or even Jericho. When it came time for what matches mattered, Taker, HHH, Michaels, or Vince were always there. Maybe that's smarter, safer business, I don't know. It put me off as a viewer, and I don't like Cena and Batista that much.

People pay more to watch concerts of bands whose best albums were 25 years ago, etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

corrado wrote:

The problem is aside from Miz to a degree, they dont seem to have faith anymore in a lot of the young guys.

Punk has lost twice in a row.

Delrio lost in a match they were hyping him to win for a while. He'll probably win the title next month but it wont be as noticed as a Mania win wouldve.

Danielson is in a funk. he was treated as Sheamus fodder on RAW.

I would also add Sheamus as well despite him being the US champ.

Barrett is stuck in Corre purgatory.

Morrison's in the doghouse due to his interactions with Trish.


Not necessarily disagreeing with any of this, but...

Punk is a crowd favorite such that he can afford to lose matches and still
be over. (Not that Orton isn't in a similar situation, but I wouldn't consider
a loss to Orton to be a burial. That angle was about burying the Nexus,
not Punk.)

Del Rio ain't a young guy, actually.

Danielsen isn't either, but he's never really gotten out of the doghouse.

Two-time world champions should not be wrestling for the US title, let
alone holding it for any length of time.

Morrison's never really been out of the doghouse, either. (Even if you and
your girlfriend think she got screwed, you have to know Trish is one of
the few people Vince has bent over backward to be nice to.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to update this thread because Rock responded to Cena's various remarks about the Rock being back but not being there every week:

http://www.whosay.com/DwayneJohnson/videos/46340

This is just amazing. Probably Rock's best mic work since he came back.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hilarious.

Too bad it wasn't on television.

Jagdip
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should also point out that the Rock hinted at his next big TV WWE appearance. Which I think is this November's Survivor Series from MSG. Where the Rock debuted in 1996.

So it looks like Survivor series should be very fun and the next chapter to the Rock's destruction of Cena.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Cena responded in a very believable way:

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CeNation. Just saw Dwayne's statement. Via satellite of course. Sad, really. It was like an episode of mad money.

I wonder if GLAAD will be offended by Dwayne's comments.

Either way..looks like I have really made him mad. But, certainly not mad enough to show up and do anything. Maybe he can send a stuntman.

Dwayne. I am a WWE employee, and a proud one. The difference between us is you left for 'greener pastures'. For me...this is what I love.

I have never begged for anyones admiration or acceptance, u don't believe me..watch MITB. Its not about that. Its about showing up.


Id rather wrestle a thousand 'punks' than one 'rock'. Because I can see his passion. Wish I could see yours...yer just never there.


Same ol Same ol garbage from him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a tease for a heel turn on Sunday?

If only...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not surprised that John Cena doesn't know the difference between a transvestite and a transsexual. ;-)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah, it's just more of Rock and Cena working the populace. The only question is who is doing a better job of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So they casually mentioned on RAW that Rock would be at Survivor Series. Just like that. No buildup. No teasers by him. Thats it. I mean everyone knew he would be there. But the way they made it official was sloppy.

Not to mention local commercials saying that the Rock would be in action. As well as the Facebook page for the event saying he would be in action.

That is not the way to begin the big Rock return for the fall.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WWE sources have confirmed that The Rock and John Cena will be a part of a Traditional 5-on-5 Survivor Series Tag Team Match.


I really hate how this is just thrown out without buildup at all.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

corrado wrote:
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WWE sources have confirmed that The Rock and John Cena will be a part of a Traditional 5-on-5 Survivor Series Tag Team Match.


I really hate how this is just thrown out without buildup at all.


It's because they have two more worthless PPVs to build up before this.

Ah, the perils of having a PPV schedule that isn't conducive to putting out your best product. But as long all of the PPVs still turn a profit, they will never give them up.

People will spin this as a negative, but I don't see how getting Rock back on TV for a month is a bad thing for them or the viewers. They even get to pop a PPV buyrate out of it.

Do agree they should have come up with a reason they're teaming and maybe they still will.

Jagdip
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