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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve & Kevin & Dan,

This is my attempt to list all the Destroyer matches that are out there, and identify all the sources of the matches.

Notes:

- Source? = need Steve to identify where it's from

- Lynch All Japan Classics = from Original Classics that I can't find on my copy of Dan's list

I've tried to be clear on how Jeff has them listed on the last version of his list that I have.

02/20/58 Dick Beyer vs Bob Brown from Buffalo
- Source?

06/19/58 Dick Beyer & Bob Brown vs Doc & Mike Gallagher
- Source?

05/10/63 Clip of The Destroyer vs Fred Blassie (very short clip from Glen Bray’s home movies)
- Source?

05/17/63 Clip of The Destroyer in ring before the Rikidozan/Kowalski match
- Source?

06/14/63 Clip of The Destroyer vs Fred Blassie
- Source?

12/02/63 Int'l Title: Destroyer vs Rikidozan (17:40, 3:26, 7:33)
- (DG #684 - G+ Puroresu Classics)
- (DG #822 - Rikidozan Classic Matches)
- (DG #1790 - PunQ JWA)

On this one, I seem to recall that the more recent releases of the match, the first fall is edited. PunQ's old JWA set was, I believe, sourced from Lynch material.

Looking at Lynch's list, there is a Bootleg #125 that is 4 hours of two AJPW specials from December 1992. The second is a trio of Funk tag league famous matches, with Destroyer-Rikidozan coming after them. I'm thinking that might be the complete version.

Anyway, my thought would be to check the time of of the falls on the G+ version as it's likely the best VQ. If any are edited, then perhaps substitute a complete version of the fall from one of the other sources. My recollection is that Dick did some of his best work in the match in the first fall... it would suck to have it edited out.

07/22/64 Clip of The Destroyer vs The Brusier
- Source?

12/01/64 Destroyer & Kurt Von Stroheim & Bill Dromo vs Baba & Toyonobori & Yoshima
- (DG #1790 - PunQ JWA)

02/26/65 WWA Title: Destroyer vs Toyonobori (20:48, 17:11, tl)
- (DG #684 - G+ Puroresu Classics)
- (DG #1791 - PunQ JWA)

Same thing with this: want to make sure you get the fullest version of the draw available.

08/31/68 Dr X vs Verne Gagne (5 min highlight)
- Source?

03/05/69 Int'l Title: Destroyer vs Giant Baba (48:10, tl)
- (DG #1793 - PunQ JWA)

05/19/71 Destroyer vs Antonio Inoki (21:20)
- (DG #8076 - Inoki Box?)
- (DG #1795 - PunQ JWA)

10/07/72 Dr X & Andre The Giant vs Nick Bockwinkel & Ray Stevens (8 mins of 8 mm film)
- Source?

12/19/72 Destroyer vs Giant Baba (18:29, 3:43, 11:40)
- (DG #704 - AJC G+)

10/09/73 US Title: Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (12:25, 11:36, 4:20)
- (DG #1111 - AJC G+)

04/27/74 Destroyer vs Abdullah The Butcher
- (DG #699 - AJC G+)

06/13/74 Destroyer & Jumbo Tsuruta vs Kevin Sullivan & Johnny Rodz
- (DG #1591 - AJC G+)

07/25/74 US Title: Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (16:03, 4:52, 7:25)
- (DG #1111 - AJC G+)

08/29/74 Destroyer & Shohei Baba vs Killer Karl Kox & Dick Slater
- (DG #1591 - AJC G+)

04/10/75 Destroyer & Samson Kutsuwada vs Killer Kowalski & Mr Wrestling (Tim Woods) (12:53)
- (DG #3583 - AJC S)

07/25/75 US Title: Destroyer vs Spirit (Killer Karl Kox) (9:38, 3:12, 7:50)
- (DG #1593 - AJC G+)

10/12/75 US Title: Destroyer vs Abdullah The Butcher (15:54)
- (DG #692 - AJC G+)

10/30/75 Destroyer vs Stan Hansen (12:38)
- (DG #156 - AJC G+)

12/09/75 Destroyer vs The Great Kusatsu (15:23)
- (DG #687 - AJC G+)

12/13/75 Destroyer vs Don Leo Jonathan (22:43)
- (DG #3586 - AJC S)

12/15/75 Destroyer vs Hiro Matsuda (30:00)
- released on All Japan's digital website. Downloaded & burned by several people. Bix perhaps was the source?

12/17/75 Destroyer vs Horst Hoffman (13:50)
- (DG #1895 - AJC G+)

01/03/76 US Title: Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (12:49, 6:43, 4:30)
- (Yohe #1051)

08/28/76 US Title: Destroyer vs Super Destroyer (The Spoiler) (17:35, 2:50, 8:02)
- (DG #2470 - AJC G+)

10/28/76 US Title: Destroyer vs Abdullah The Butcher (10:57)
- (DG #2470 - AJC G+)

03/02/77 Destroyer vs Mike Graham
- (Yohe #1059)

03/11/77 US Title: Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (2:04, 3:36, 5:46)
- (DG #691 - AJC G+)
- (Yohe #1059)

08/18/77 Destroyer & Jumbo Tsuruta vs Mil Mascaras & Manual Soto (20:37)
- (Yohe #1030)

08/30/77 Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (16:27)
- Source?

10/03/77 Destroyer & Shohei Baba vs Bobo Brazil & Ken Patera (17:42)
- (Yohe #1025)

10/05/77 Destroyer & Tenryu vs Wahoo McDaniel & Jay Youngblood (12:30)
- (Yohe #1025)

10/12/77 Destroyer vs Ken Patera (10:48)
- (Yohe #1030)

12/06/77 Destroyer & Texas Red (misidentified as Mr. Wrestling) vs Abby & Sheik (7:27)
- Lynch All Japan Classics #23 Samurai TV August 1997 - don't see a DG listing

12/10/77 Destroyer & Texas Red (Red Bastien) vs Billy Robinson & Horst Hoffman (15:54)
- (Yohe #1025)

01/03/78 Battle Royal
- (Yohe #1030)

01/03/78 Destroyer & Rocky Hata vs Mark Lewin & Kim Duk (9:58)
- (Yohe #1030)

01/11/78 Destroyer & Shohei Baba vs Mark Lewin & Johnny Rodz (9:26)
- (Yohe #1026)

02/05/78 Destroyer & Shohei Baba vs Curtis Iaukea & Bull Ramos (7:05)
- (Yohe #1026)

03/11/78 Destroyer vs The Black Terror (Tank Patton) (11:06 complete)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1026)

03/14/78 Destroyer vs Abdullah the Butcher (10:21 complete)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1026)

03/28/78 Destroyer vs Don Leo Jonathan (7:00 of 13:04 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1026)

04/07/78 Destroyer & Jumbo Tsuruta vs Kintaro Oki & Kim Duk (13:10 of 17:10 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1026)

04/21/78 Destroyer vs Gino Hernandez (1:38 of 14:40 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1026)

04/27/78 Destroyer & Giant Baba vs Dick Murdoch & Kim Duk (4:45 of 19:04 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1026)

05/04/78 Destroyer & Jumbo Tsuruta & Shohei Baba vs Pat O’Connor & Dick Murdoch & Nelson Royal (29:09)
- (Yohe #1026)

05/06/78 Destroyer vs Dick Murdoch (30:00)
- (Yohe #1027)

05/26/78 Destroyer & Jumbo Tsuruta vs Billy Robinson & Alvin Smith (27:00)
- (Yohe #1027)

06/01/78 Destroyer & Jumbo Tsuruta vs Billy Robinson & Mario Milano (45:00)
- (Yohe #1027)

06/10/78 Destroyer & Shohei Baba vs Mario Milano & Alvin Smith (17:57)
- (Yohe #1027)

08/18/78 US Title: Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (10:55, 5:25, 7:10)
- (Yohe #1027)

First two falls are in unusable shape. Third fall is in better vq. Since it is a title change, we should include the 3rd fall (or whenever the VQ shift to being usable).

This would be a gold mine if one of the newer sources (like the Funk fan poster on Youtube) somehow had it.

08/24/78 Destroyer vs Don Kernolde (13:05)
- Lynch All Japan Classics #25 Samurai TV September 1997 - don't see a DG listing

08/31/78 Destroyer & Jumbo Tsuruta vs Moose Morowski & Randy Tyler (8:31 of 10:33 + 4:55 of 4:55 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980) (Yohe #1027)

10/25/78 Destroyer vs Isaac Rosario (2:00 of 12:12 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1027)

11/03/78 Destroyer & Giant Baba vs Bobo Brazil & Killer Tor Kamata (7:20 of 10:33 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1028)

11/07/78 Destroyer & Jumbo Tsuruta vs Tor Kamata & Dick Blood (14:25)
- (Yohe #1028)

01/03/79 Heavyweight Battle Royal (9:20 of 11:16 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)

01/05/79 Destroyer & Shohei Baba vs Bruiser Brody & King Curtis (9:50)
- (DG #156 - AJC G+)
- (DG #166 - AJC S)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1028)

01/20/79 Destroyer & Giant Baba vs King Iaukea & Baron von Rashke (8:16, 4:30, 2:33 complete)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1028)

01/26/79 Destroyer vs Don Denucci (5:29 of 13:50 shown)
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1028)

03/31/79 Destroyer vs Billy Francis (5:35)
- (Yohe #1029)

04/20/79 Destroyer & Shohei Baba vs Gene Kiniski & Mike Sharpe Jr (10:17, 1:43, 6:25)
- (Yohe #1029)

05/07/79 Destroyer & Shohei Baba vs Dick Murdoch & Mad Dog Martin (20:13)
- (Yohe #1029)

05/25/79 Destroyer & Billy Red Lyons vs Shohei Baba & Ishikawa (15:18)
- (Yohe #1029)

05/31/79 Destroyer & Billy Red Lyons vs Billy Robinson & Mark Tender (15:30)
- (Yohe #1029)

06/05/79 Destroyer & Billy Red Lyons vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Rocky Hata (12:10, 5:03, 4:26)
- (Yohe #1029)

06/12/79 Int'l Tag Title: Destroyer & Billy Red Lyons vs Shohei Baba & Jumbo Tsuruta (17:42, 7:32, 4:53)
- (Yohe #1029)

06/14/79 Destroyer vs Shohei Baba (17:37)
- (Yohe #1030)

06/29/79 Destroyer vs Joe Marcus (Toronto)
- Lynch All Japan Classics #30 Samurai TV November 1997 - don't see a DG listing

05/23/80 Destroyer vs Abdullah The Butcher (12:27)
- (DG #1763 - Raijin)
- (Yohe #1051)

08/29/80 Destroyer & The Cruiser (Roger Kirby) vs Mil Mascaras & Dos Caras
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1051)

04/81 Destroyer vs Gino Brito
- Source?

05/29/81 Destroyer & Jimmy Snuka vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Ricky Steamboat (9:33, 7:53, 4:28)
- (Yohe #1051)

10/02/81 Destroyer & Buck Robley vs Kintaro Oki & Kojika (12:01)
- (Yohe #1051)

01/02/82 Battle Royal (11:58)
- (Yohe #1051)

09/14/82 Destroyer & Jerry Blackwell & Ron Bass vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Terry Funk & Tenryu (13:29)
- (DG #3597 - AJC S)

05/12/83 Destroyer & Bill Irwin vs Shohei Baba & Tenryu (12:05)
- Source?

06/01/84 Destroyer & Billy Robinson vs Shohei Baba & Jumbo Tsuruta
- (DG-AJPW-1984-Disk13)

07/12/85 Destroyer & Regal vs Sonada & Sato
- (DG-AJPW-1985-Disk16)

07/28/85 Destroyer & Jerry Blackwell vs Shohei Baba & Ishikawa
- (DG-AJPW-1985-Disk18)

07/04/86 Destroyer & Pete Robers vs Animal Hamaguchi & Isamu Teranishi
- (DG-AJPW-1986-Disk14)

01/02/87 Destroyer & Mark Ragin vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Genichiro Tenryu
- (DG #3256 - AJPW-1987-Disk1)

07/11/91 Destroyer & Momoto vs Joe & Dean Malenko (2 shown)
- (DG#3324 AJPW-1991-Disk15) - probably on the first show on the DVD

07/28/93 Destroyer & Kurt Beyer vs Giant Baba & Momota
- (DG #3684 - AJPW Comm)

07/29/93 Destroyer & Shoehi Baba & Kurt Beyer vs Masa Fuchi & Haruka Eigen & Masao Inoue
- (DG#3375 AJPW-1993-Disk17)

That's just a JIP clip. I wonder if there was a commercial tape with the 7/29 show that had it in full?

07/29/93 The Destroyer's retirement ceremony
- (DG#3375 AJPW-1993-Disk17)


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put in as many match times as I could find at cagematch.net, puroresu.com and my spreadsheet. If I indicated complete, it's because Dan's times matched up extremely close with the official times. I used the "official" times, though Dan and I have found them to be off at times in the past. :)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
04/81 Destroyer vs Gino Brito
- Source?


This is on Youtube along with a confrontation:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Destroyer+vs+Gino+Brito&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=Destroyer+vs+Gino+Brito&tbm=vid
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can help with this one:

08/31/68 Dr X vs Verne Gagne (5 min highlight)
- Source?

This aired originally on the Verne Gagne AWA PPV, one of the series of PPVs that Verne and Greg aired before selling the library to Vince. It has since re-aired on WWE Classics in the Verne HOF segment. I originally taped it on the PPV and have both versions.

The X-Andre vs. Bock/Ray match aired both on Luce Classics and on one of the AWA PPVs, probably Best of the 70's (going off memory here). 8 minutes seems long in terms of clip length but I will check.
One other piece attached to that match airing is a brief bit of the TV match where Ray Stevens injured X's ankle, which is what prompted Andre coming in to be X's tag partner in a grudge match. It's from one of the AWA Superbowl shows in Chicago, maybe the one where Verne battled Ivan in the main event.

I believe that through discussions with several AWA guys back when it aired we identified it as most likely being the match Verne regained the title from Dick, based on match descriptions and what looks like the finish on the film.

I highly doubt I have anything from the Japan listings that Dan does not. Japan is Dan's baby.

I'll try to start checking my Beyer Montreal stuff soon. There isn't a ton of it but there is a bit of continuity in his feud with Gino Brito including a TV angle of The Destroyer's figure four challenge with Brito accepting.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdw wrote:
Quote:
04/81 Destroyer vs Gino Brito
- Source?


This is on Youtube along with a confrontation:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Destroyer+vs+Gino+Brito&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=Destroyer+vs+Gino+Brito&tbm=vid


I believe the guy putting that one up is the guy I swap footage with from that and other smaller Canadian based areas. Same one I described in my last message. So, we have that no problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdw wrote:
Looking at Dan's misc set, it looks like these are the only Destroyer matches/clips not listed by Steve earlier:

04/21/78 Tokyo: Destroyer vs. Gino Hernandez (1:38 shown)

04/27/78 Aomori: Giant Baba & Destroyer vs. Dick Murdoch & Kim Duk (4:45 shown)

01/03/79 Tokyo: Heavyweight Battle Royal

10/04/80 Broadcast Mascara Special Feature: Mascara brothers vs. Destroyer & Cruiser (digest) (no match date and don't know who Cruiser is since I haven't watched it yet)

The 4/27/78 match and all the loaded mask stuff by Destroyer makes more sense as it leads into the 05/06/78. If we ever get around to doing a big Destroyer Comp, one will want to add that as a lead in. It's short so it doesn't take up a lot of space, but gets across how they heated things up leading into the singles match.

Steve - have you gotten any other fresh Destroyer stuff since 2013?


I am guessing Cruiser is actually The Crusher, but I can try to verify that.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I identified it on my long list as:

08/29/80 Destroyer & The Cruiser (Roger Kirby) vs Mil Mascaras & Dos Caras
- (DG-AJPW-1976-1980)
- (Yohe #1051)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin:

How much of the Toronto stuff is available?

I see this, which I'm not sure if Yohe has ever seen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmp0_1Fa36o

The Rocky Johnson match is JIP but has almost 8 minutes of action, and a result that I think Steve will like. The other match is a throwaway, but the Johnson might be a keeper. Especially if you have all of it, and in better shape.

His results are over here:

http://sportsandwrestling.mywowbb.com/forum2/22637.html

This looks like:

02/28/81 Montreal, Quebec(TV) The Destroyer beat Ricky Johnson

I don't know how much of that other stuff looks interesting. The Toronto tv from the prior year looks interesting, such as that Flair tag.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HOLY SHIT!!!!

Look what's sitting on Youtube:

08/18/78 US Title: Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (10:55, 5:25, 7:10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-01LeKLBk

The first two falls are clearly in vastly better shape than what Steve has. What's funny is that things get worse in the 3rd. It's possible that Steve's 3rd fall is better.

Anyway... Steve... check it out and see if it lives up to you hopes.

Kevin: you should grab this before it goes away.

He has a lot of other Mil, including stuff from Japan. Dan - you might want to grab anythint that's new for you:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheSeven8888/videos


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some other stuff:

Dick Beyer (The Destroyer) vs Bob Stanley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WS8m8Ly2ic

Might be this:

12/28/62 Buffalo, NY Dick Beyer beat Bob Stanlee

Here's this one that Steve listed:

06/19/58 Dick Beyer & Bobby Brown vs Doc & Mike Gallagher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpPdJRB4kmQ

It's a long match, which makes for a good early example before he puts on the mask.

02/05/83 Montreal, Quebec(TV) The Destroyer beat Mr. Hito
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB1R7OJ4wzo

Destroyer vs Victor The Bear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avBEpf_yw1k

Steve's judgement on whether to include that or not.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is this:

08/30/77 Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (16:27)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJuMdCW9iA

Air time is less than the match time, and includes intro and post match.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not Rocky Johnson in that one 8:00 match. It's a Ricky Johnson a jobber type. That match was on the Toronto tape I lost or can't find.--Yohe
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdw wrote:
Look what's sitting on Youtube:

08/18/78 US Title: Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras (10:55, 5:25, 7:10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-01LeKLBk

The first two falls are clearly in vastly better shape than what Steve has. What's funny is that things get worse in the 3rd. It's possible that Steve's 3rd fall is better.


That's a fun match. Not as earth shattering as their 1974 match, but a lot of fun stuff in it.

I can confirm what Steve said six years ago: Dick does win the 1st fall with a power bomb. This isn't the Thesz style power bomb that was kind of a stiff unique drop. This is flat out a power bomb before people figured out how to get more elevation on it: Dick gets a little flip up on it, them plops him down, and then leans in for the cover like we saw guys doing once it became popular.

Plenty of cool stuff on the mat, and they bring out big high spots. The finish of all three falls is very nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Yohe wrote:
That's not Rocky Johnson in that one 8:00 match. It's a Ricky Johnson a jobber type. That match was on the Toronto tape I lost or can't find.--Yohe


Damn! :)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved the match, but I agree not as great as the first two in Japan. I don't think the 3rd fall, that I have, is in any better condition. Those tapes that Koji sent look like what was there. Maybe 4th or 5th generation, but very watchable.

Someone get me a copy of it.

The Destroyer & Snuka vs Jumbo & Steamboat match seems to be the prise of the group, at least to newer fans.

Dick seemed to be using the power bomb as a finisher at that time. But he wasn't going to slam Mil so hard as to hurt him. He wasn't going to hurt anyone. Look at his body slam, which looks good....he bends over & I don't think Mil falls a foot. You don't see Dick taking crazy bumps....it's all controlled.

I didn't like the mask he was wearing at the time. The eye holes looked small and it was too tight. I just realized he had on one on the masks he was selling in the arena and in magazines. Dick was trying to make a extra buck.

Still his knees were killing him & you can see it at times. The match wasn't as quick as his early stuff. And you have to realize that he was a major heel. He was a bad guy in LA. So he's doing his babyface style and can't do all his heel stuff in Japan. As a heel he was great. Rival to Blassie.

Dick, like Flair & really most heels of the 60's, never hit the "bombs away" from the tope rope in his life. At least in the corner. His bombs away was always off the 2nd rope. I asked him about it & he said he had better balance & I don't think he wanted anyone getting hurt.

Someone get me that match!!!

Damm John Williams finally did something right. Unbelievable!!!---Steve Yohe
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