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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Golf Thread (a/k/a/ Tiger Scoreboard) Reply with quote

At the age of 30 with more of the season left:

Tiger Season
1 - Majors
4 - PGA Wins
1 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack Season
1 - Majors
3 - PGA Wins
2 - Non-PGA Wins

Tiger Career
11 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
50 - PGA Wins
10 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Jack Season
8 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
33 - PGA Wins
14 - Non-PGA Wins
0 - Ryder Cups

I mention the Amatuer Majors since Jack counts those among his majors, though he does not count his record number of Senior Majors in the total. I suspect that's because Jack chased Bobby Jones' "record" of 13 majors, which included 6 amatuer titles. Jack generally chased Bobby as the "greatest player of all-time" as well, so it was his thing.

Jack gets to 11 pro majors at the age of 32, and to 50 pro wins at the age of 33 (19 PGA wins from 31-33).


John


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one counts senior majors. I've covered a senior major for each of the last 10 years, and the winner always snorts when someone asks him about winning a major.

And I'm not talking about guys like Hale Irwin, Tom Watson or Ray Floyd, who have won "real" majors. I'm talking about guys like Bobby Wadkins and Mark James.

"There are only four majors once you turn pro - the U.S. Open, the British, the Masters and the PGA. This is a great tournament for the Champions Tour, but it isn't a major like that." - Wadkins after winning the 2006 Senior Players Championship.

Tiger should have won the Buick Open by eight or nine shots, but he kept screwing around with trying to drive the 12th and 14th holes. If he hits 2-iron off the tee, he's got a comfortable pitch-and-putt for an easy birdie, but he wanted those eagles.

Early prediction: Vaughn Taylor shits himself at the Ryder Cup. He was whining this weekend about how "distracting" it was to play the first two rounds with John Daly and local hero Mike Weir. If Friday galleries at the Buick Open bother him, the Euros will eat him alive next month.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Hogg wrote:
No one counts senior majors. I've covered a senior major for each of the last 10 years, and the winner always snorts when someone asks him about winning a major.


Disagree. Gary Player counted them before Jack got on the Senior Tour. Gary had a fair number and thought he might catch Jack's 20. Golfers seem to think they'll never age and lose their skills, and Gary was one who aged very well. It was also at a time right *before* what we've seen is the patern of Sr. Golf - a new "young player" hits the series to dominated it for a year or three before someone else comes along, wash, rinse repeat. And, perhaps most importantly, Jack was making noise of being disinterested with going into Sr. Golf as being a bit beneath how he saw himself as a golfer.

Gary did age.

Trevino was one of the first guys to dominate when hitting the minumum age, and also helped the tour explode in price money and TV coverage. Others followed, and guys like Gary had no shot to win more.

And while Gary was correct that Jack never really committed to the Sr. Tour fulltime, he did play the majors, and won a record number (at the time) before getting bored. :)

But I do agree with your overall point - other than Gary, no one really looks at a Sr. Major as a "major". :)


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Tiger should have won the Buick Open by eight or nine shots, but he kept screwing around with trying to drive the 12th and 14th holes. If he hits 2-iron off the tee, he's got a comfortable pitch-and-putt for an easy birdie, but he wanted those eagles.


I got the feeling that he was playing loose since this one means less than the PGA coming up. This was a chance to test a few more things out... and we all know he's probably tinkering too much with his game.

John
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdw wrote:

Disagree. Gary Player counted them before Jack got on the Senior Tour.


Yeah, and he stopped counting them as soon as Jack passed him there, too. :)

The Champions Tour will be dead in a few years anyway, other than a couple of the majors. There were more people following Mike Weir and John Daly on Thursday at the Buick Open than there were on the entire course at the Senior Players - a Champions Tour major - on Sunday.

(Which is why the Senior Players will be played in Baltimore starting next year. I'll be sad to miss Jeff Sluman's runaway victory in his Champions Tour debut.)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Hogg wrote:
Yeah, and he stopped counting them as soon as Jack passed him there, too. :)


I know... was largely goofing on Gary. :)


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The Champions Tour will be dead in a few years anyway, other than a couple of the majors. There were more people following Mike Weir and John Daly on Thursday at the Buick Open than there were on the entire course at the Senior Players - a Champions Tour major - on Sunday.


It will be dead until the next Big Name "Young Senior" joins and commits to it. Of course we're in the stretch of guys entering who, when they were in their peak on the PGA, saw the PGA go down in interest - post Jack and Watson. Norman and Seve were stars, but... something missing. Behind them were a lot of good golfers, but not many who made marks as big draws.

I don't know who will spike it. Perhaps Phil if he cares. The prize money and endorsements are so high on the PGA that he just might not care, which was a strong contrast for Trevino - he was making more in his prime on the Seniors tour (both in prize money and sponsorship) than he had at anypoint in his career.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdw wrote:
I don't know who will spike it. Perhaps Phil if he cares. The prize money and endorsements are so high on the PGA that he just might not care, which was a strong contrast for Trevino - he was making more in his prime on the Seniors tour (both in prize money and sponsorship) than he had at anypoint in his career.


That's why I think it is dead - the big-name guys have made too much money to want to spend time playing on the old-dude tour. It's already starting with Norman - he has played two or three majors in the year-plus since he's turned 50, and has made it pretty clear he's not going to do much more than that.

Next year will make or break the tour. Faldo, Seve, Nick Price, Bernhard Langer and Mark O'Meara all turn 50. Get either of the first two out there on a regular basis, or the other three, and you get a shot in the arm.

After that? You are looking at Couples or Lehman in 2009, Zinger in 2010 and Vijay a couple years later.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiger Scoreboard... Reply with quote

Updated after a winning his fourth straight tourny.

At the age of 30 with more of the season left:

Tiger Season
2 - Majors
6 - PGA Wins
1 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack Season
1 - Majors
3 - PGA Wins
2 - Non-PGA Wins

Tiger Career
12 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
52 - PGA Wins
10 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Jack Season
8 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
33 - PGA Wins
14 - Non-PGA Wins
0 - Ryder Cups

Jack gets to 11 pro majors at the age of 32, and to 52 pro wins at the age of 33 (19 PGA wins from 31-33).

The four straight wins is normal impressive on this day and age - only Tiger has one four or more straight since the 1950s, with an earlier streak of six straight wins. What makes this one very impressive is that three of the events have had loaded up fields - the British Open and PGA Championship drawing typical "major" fields, while today's event was one of the WGC events that strongly incent the top players to show up. Everyone on the Top 10 of the World Golf Rankings showed up, and most of the top players below that did as well. Simply winning one of these three would be a good showing. Taking all three in this stretch is really impressive.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiger Scoreboard... Reply with quote

To update, since golf season is starting.

Last season, which is the on inwhich Tiger turner 30:

Tiger's 30 Season
2 - Majors
8 - PGA Wins
1 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack's 30 Season
1 - Majors
3 - PGA Wins
2 - Non-PGA Wins

Tiger Career through 30
12 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
54 - PGA Wins
10 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Jack Career through 30
8 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
33 - PGA Wins
14 - Non-PGA Wins
0 - Ryder Cups

Tiger played his first event of the year this weekend, and won his 55th PGA event (and 7th straight PGA event) at the Buick Invitational.

Tiger's 31 Season
0 - Majors
1 - PGA Wins
0 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack's season that he's chasing:

Jack's 31 Season
1 - Majors
5 - PGA Wins
4 - Non-PGA Wins

And career to date:

Tiger Career through 31
12 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
55 - PGA Wins
10 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Jack Career through 31
9 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
38 - PGA Wins
18 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cups

Jack won his first Ryder Cup in 1971. Other than that, he's not really closing on what Tiger had *already* done at the age of 30. We're just 3 events into the 2007 season.

John
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiger Scoreboard... Reply with quote

Tiger played his fourth event of the year this weekend, and won his 56th PGA event at the WGC-CA Championship.

Tiger's 31 Season
0 - Majors
2 - PGA Wins
0 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack's season that he's chasing:

Jack's 31 Season
1 - Majors
5 - PGA Wins
4 - Non-PGA Wins

And career to date:

Tiger Career through 31
12 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
56 - PGA Wins
10 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Jack Career through 31
9 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
38 - PGA Wins
18 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cups

The Masters is in two weeks.

What's utterly amazing is that of his 56 PGA wins, 12 have come in Majors and 13 in WGC events. Those are the loaded up fields golf along with the TPC (which he's won once). 25 career wins already in just those events. Yow.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiger Scoreboard... Reply with quote

Fourth win of the season, 58th PGA event at the WGC-Bridgestone. Second WGC title of the season, 14th WGC singles title of his career which remains pretty mindboggling as mentioned before.

Tiger's 31 Season
0 - Majors
4 - PGA Wins
0 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack's season that he's chasing:

Jack's 31 Season
1 - Majors
5 - PGA Wins
4 - Non-PGA Wins

Pair of seconds in the majors, which he really was in position to win both. Ironically, Jack was also 2nd in the Masters and US Open that year: losing by 2 at the Masters and losing in a playoff to Trevino in the US Open. He won would win the PGA by two.

PGA is coming up.

This is the stretch of the year where Tiger went on the winning streak last year. It will be interesting to see how much the FedEx Cup will keep him focused down the stretch. Last year the focus/drive seemed to be finding his game after the death of his father.

And career to date:

Tiger Career through 31
12 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
58 - PGA Wins
10 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Jack Career through 31
9 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
38 - PGA Wins
18 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cups

John
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After Tiger's 7 under 63 at Southern Hills you can probably go ahead and update the scorecard to 13 majors. Tiger is 7-0 when he's got the lead after 36 holes in majors.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a put on the 18th that was deep into the cup before coming back out that would have made it a *Major* record round of 62. The folks on Golf Channel are 100% orgasming over the round. Not just the hosts - literally every reporter they talk to, and every talking head they bring onto the show. This goes beyond the typical Tiger Slurping that you'd see in ESPN or the major networks (who all have a piece of Golf coverage). There's a big amount of awe in how they're talking about it.

I wish the round was re-running somewhere so I could watch all of it rather than just the highlights.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiger Scoreboard... Reply with quote

Fifth win of the season, 59th PGA event, 13th Major at the PGA Championship.

Tiger's 31 Season
1 - Majors
5 - PGA Wins
0 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack's season that he's chasing:

Jack's 31 Season
1 - Majors
5 - PGA Wins
4 - Non-PGA Wins

Pretty spot on for Jack's season, right down to the two seconds in the majors, then winning the PGA by two.

Once again, it will be interesting to see how much the FedEx Cup will keep him focused down the stretch. There are 12 events left in the year. He played in 3 tour events last year after the PGA, but two of those were WGC events. Those events (the Bridgestone and the AMEX) were moved up earlier in the year due to the Fed Ex Cup... and of course Tiger defended both this year.

The Fed Ex events:

* The Barclays (Aug 23-26)
* Deutsche Bank Championship (Aug 31-Sep 3)
* BMW Championship (Sep 6-9)
* The Tour Championship (Sep 13-16)

Obviously he's going to play all four of those baring injury. And of course the President's Cup.

And career to date:

Tiger Career through 31
13 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
59 - PGA Wins
10 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Jack Career through 31
9 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
38 - PGA Wins
18 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cups

All-Time PGA Wins List:

82 Sam Snead
73 Jack Nicklaus
64 Ben Hogan
62 Arnold Palmer
59 Tiger Woods
52 Byron Nelson
51 Billy Casper

It's fairly safe to say he'll pass Hogan by the end of 2008 baring injury.


John
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger just 11-putted today at the Tour Championship.

As in "11-putted the *front nine*". Shot a 28 going out, capped by a 70 footer for an eagle. Even he was laughing at that one.

Lots of birds all over the course. KJ is on a four hole streak of birdies while Tiger is on the six hole run of five birdes and the eagle.

They finished up the first round this morning, with Tiger finishing hot there. He's in the range of -10 in his last 14-15 holes.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Tiger vs. the field Reply with quote

Tiger has won 12 times in the last 13 months. There are only 10 other active PGA Tour pros with 12 career wins.

Most career wins by golfers under 35:
    1) Tiger Woods - 61
    2) Sergio Garcia - 6
    3) Adam Scott - 5
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