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kjh



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Injured Woods out for the season (to undergo further surgery)

He also needs time to recover from a fracture of his left tibia attributed to his intense rehabilitation and preparation for the US Open. Yikes, so much for the cynics who thought he was milking the injury for the cameras! With hindsight, even though he won the tournament, the decision to play looks very reckless now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kjh wrote:
Injured Woods out for the season (to undergo further surgery)

He also needs time to recover from a fracture of his left tibia attributed to his intense rehabilitation and preparation for the US Open. Yikes, so much for the cynics who thought he was milking the injury for the cameras! With hindsight, even though he won the tournament, the decision to play looks very reckless now.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From AP:

Tiger Woods to have season-ending knee surgery

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Woods said Wednesday he will have season-ending knee surgery, revealing he has had a torn ligament in his left knee since last July.

And he suffered a double stress fracture of his left tibia while preparing to return to the PGA Tour last month, which forced him to miss the Memorial and was the source of his pain at Torrey Pines when he won the U.S. Open.


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Perhaps the biggest surprise was when the injury first happened.

Woods said he tore the ACL while jogging at home after the British Open last July. He chose not to have surgery and went on a run that included seven consecutive victories, including the Dubai Desert Classic in Europe and his Target World Challenge, an unofficial event.


These are the tournies he played after tearing the knee... and the results are pretty rediculous:

08/05/07 Bridgestone Invitational
08/12/07 PGA Championship

09/03/07 Deutsche Bank Championship - 2nd
09/09/07 BMW Championship
09/16/07 The Tour Championship
01/27/08 Buick Invitational
02/03/08 Dubai Desert Classic
02/24/08 WGC Accenture Match Play Championship
03/16/08 Arnold Palmer Invitational

03/24/08 WGC CA Championship - 5th
04/13/08 Masters - 2nd
06/16/08 U.S. Open

Granted, the knee clearly has gotten worse. What may have been a "minor" tear back after the open likely got worse as the season continued and the FedEx Cup kept him playing a lot after the PGA. "Rest" made it feel resonably better, he started the year red hot before hitting the wall at the WGC-CA and Masters. More rest... I suspect he would keep playing on it absent the stress fracture.

They mention it's an ACL and he went with scoping this time around rather than a more typical major ACL repair job.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Tiger at the Open, but this is another Saturday-Sunday of compelling golf.

Norman is getting the run, and it is an amazing story. He started giving away strokes, got his shit together, and is now back to giving them away which is a bit too bad. Putting hasn't been sharp, but it's off the tee that's killing him, and it's just not adjusting to the conditions very well.

But Harrington should be getting run. Here he is on Sunday in the last pairing with a chance to repeat at a major. I don't think people get how rare that is. If one times the start of the "modern to era" Palmer going to the Open in 1960 and finishing second (started the era where top US golfers consistently played in all four majors), these are the people who have repeated in Majors since then:

1962 Open - Palmer
1966 Masters - Nicklaus
1972 Open - Trevino
1983 Open - Watson
1989 US Open - Strange
1990 Masters - Faldo
2000 PGA - Woods
2002 Masters - Woods
2006 Open - Woods
2007 PGA - Woods

Only 10 Majors have been won by the person who won it the year before. Jack, while winning 18 of them, only repeated *once*.

A repeat happens roughly 5% of the time: 10 out of 192 Majors from 1961-2007 plus the first two of this year. Take Tiger out if it, the percentage is 3%. It's pretty rare, and those are some good golfers who've done it.

Then there's Poulter trying to post a number that Harrington needs to stay ahead of.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a fun Open because Birkdale looked nice instead of looking like a cow pasture and the wind made it much more interesting.

A lot of pros thought the tee placement along with the wind was unfair (i.e. Jerry Kelly), but it actually levels the playing field. Long ball hitters don't have the advantage because you have to hit the ball high to hit it long and most long ball hitters struggle to keep the ball low when they need to.

You're simply not going to hit 14-15 greens and have 29-30 putts and shoot your round. Instead, you're probably going to hit 9-10 greens and try to get 25-26 putts to play your round.

That's the real reason why Norman did so well and Harrington won the tournament. As far as top notch, big name golf pros, Norman was always an excellent putter. In fact, he may be the best putter of all the big name pros in golf history. Then Harrington is arguably the best putter on tour.

That being said, I can't blame guys like Sandy Lyle dropping out after the first round. When you're way out of position and the weather blows, this isn't very fun golf.



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harrington fills Tiger void with PGA win.

Very impressive victory - only Tiger has won back to back Opens and followed that feat by winning the PGA.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was cool to see Paddy win another one. He's playing really good golf. I feel for Sergio - this is the second one he's let slip away to Paddy.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiger Scoreboard... Reply with quote

Damn... a compelling final round.

Tiger's 33 Season
0 - Majors
1 - PGA Wins
0 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack's season that he's chasing:

Jack's 32 Season (1973)
1 - Majors
7 - PGA Wins
1 - Non-PGA Wins

This was the heart of Jack's period of dominance. He'd have an off year in 1974 when Johnny Miller ran wild before coming back with his last dominating year in 1975. He also won his second of 5 Ryder Cups in 1973.

Tiger Career through 33 (current year)
14 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
66 - PGA Wins
11 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Chasing:

Jack Career through 33
12 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
52 - PGA Wins
19 - Non-PGA Wins
2 - Ryder Cups

All-Time PGA Wins List:

82 Sam Snead
73 Jack Nicklaus
66 Tiger Woods
64 Ben Hogan
62 Arnold Palmer
52 Byron Nelson
51 Billy Casper


Masters should be very good. Phil is playing good golf.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compelling Masters.

Phil went out red hot with that 30 on the front nine, six birdies on the front nine. Then the horrible double bogey on 12, but quickly getting one of them back back on 13. His second shot on 15 sublime, and the four foot eagle put would have moved him to 11 under and a tie for the lead. He missed by a mile with what had to be one of the worst puts of all-time. Instead he was 10 under, and it seemed like the winds were out of his sails. The a brutal 18th was a final nail, but it was done by then. It's a sad end to what had been a brilliant round. An eagle at 15 would have washed away the double bogey, and perhaps created a combo of confidence in Phil and pressure on the Perry *earlier*.

Tiger seemed not to play a decent shot to the green most of the day, leaving long puts for birdy that he just couldn't drop. Still, he got to -10 on the 16th after three bird in four holes, and there would be pehaps some pressure on Perry earlier if Tiger got a bird and a par in the final two holes to get to -11. Didn't happen, and instead he melted down with a pair of bogies.

Cabrera melted down early and often, with three bogies through 10 and just one bird. -9 seemed out of it the way he was playing, and one had a feeling he was going to melt down some more.

Campbell faded right around that point to a hole ahead with his bogey on the 11th fropping him back to -9.

Perry was a par machone through this point, holding onto his -11 all the way through the 11th hole.

Then he "wrap up the title" with the birds on 11, 15 and 16 to push it up to -14. Campbell has his run of bird from 12-15 to drop 3 shots to -12, but a hole ahead of the hot Perry, he was two shot down with one to play. Cabrera got hot at the same time as Perry, but it just pushed him to -12 as well through 16, two shot behind Perry.

The Perry's sure, solid driving and play to the green feel apart. His collapse on 17 and 18 was among the saddest things I've ever watched in golf. One had a sense early on when Perry was on his string of pars that the inability to bag at least a couple of birds might cost Perry, especially as hot as Phil was going out. *Someone* above Phil was going to get hot and be in better position to put Perry at risk. And also any string of bad holes could pull Perry back if he didn't take advantage of Cabrera and Campell's poor form early.

It sort of did bite him. Just a single earlier bird would have given him the margin he needed.

Fun touney, even with it's sad finish. I had hoped that Parry would pull together to win in the playoff, but he just didn't have it.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ugly final round for Tiger... exceptional round for Stensen. Really something off with Tiger's driving. Saturday he was all over the course. Today it was right over and over again, except when water was on the right and he went wide left.

Position to win on the final round the last two times out, and just didn't play well at all. With the US Open coming up, playing like this will kill him in those roughs.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiger Scoreboard... Reply with quote

Tremendous final round at Jack's Tourney. 14/14 hitting the fairway, and strong there all week. He seemed to take something off his swing, focusing on accuracy rather than length. That's what you need at a US Open set up, so if this is the mentality he takes into Bethpage, he's going to be tough.


Tiger's 33 Season
0 - Majors
2 - PGA Wins
0 - Non-PGA Wins

Jack's season that he's chasing:

Jack's 32 Season (1973)
1 - Majors
7 - PGA Wins
1 - Non-PGA Wins

Tiger Career through 33 (current year)
14 - Majors
3 - Amatuer Majors
67 - PGA Wins
11 - Non-PGA Wins
1 - Ryder Cup
2 - President Cups

Chasing:

Jack Career through 33
12 - Majors
2 - Amatuer Majors
52 - PGA Wins
19 - Non-PGA Wins
2 - Ryder Cups

All-Time PGA Wins List:

82 Sam Snead
73 Jack Nicklaus
67 Tiger Woods
64 Ben Hogan
62 Arnold Palmer
52 Byron Nelson
51 Billy Casper

The US Open should be a load of fun.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today (2009 PGA Championship) was the first time that Tiger Woods failed to win after a 3 round lead. Instead a South Korean golfer named YE Yang won.

One of the most unexpected upsets in recent golf history.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now Tiger pulls a Lebron James and refuses to speak with reporters.

Not a good example Tiger is setting.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger spoke directly afterwards on the Golf Channel for at least 15-20 minutes, he only dodged CBS. That was some great golf by Yang, and some terrible golf by Paddy on the 8th. Tiger had many opportunities but failed to convert just about all of them.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really bad 4th round for him, and the 3rd round was full of missed opportunities as he played very cautious on a good scoring day.

Three points:

* lots of other greats have lost in heartbreaking ways in majors.

Jack came in 2nd in 19 majors, going all the way back to the 1960 US Open *before* he won any majors. Palmer finished 2nd in more majors than he won, including a playoff in the 1961 Master. He won three of the next six majors.

For years we got "Tiger either wins or isn't close", with people pointing to all those 2nds that Jack had as some badge of honor on why he'd still be better than Tiger even if Tiger got to 19 majors. Now when he's second, it's a negative for Tiger.


* it's ruberific to dismiss this year as a total failure on his part.

He's won 5 of 13 events he's played, which is a rate that *everyone* on the tour would trade just about everything they have to be able to do. That's coming off the injury and his game being REALLY screwed up early in the year. He's pulled it together enough to win 4 of his last 7 starts. The season isn't over with the Fed Ex, the President's Cup and the new 4th WCG of the year. He's play a fair amount of it, and a 6th and 7th title isn't unlikely. That's a strong season added to the resume.

* his game is still off

It's not as far off as earlier in the year, but it's clearly off. For all his talk, it's likely that he knows it. He's come a long way from earlier in the year where he was driving the ball all over the place on half his tee shots. He still has a few of those the fly off in bizzaro directions, but not to the save degree. Clearly it's something that he made an adjustment on. The things that hurt him on Saturday and Sunday are likely things he'll work on.

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