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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Superbad Reply with quote

This was an enjoyable comedy. best parts were Mclovin, and the cops. Michael Cera was of course great as well. He plays the awkward teenager so well as evidenced on arrested Development.

It did get a bit risque at times like at the beginning with Seth's childhood habit but Seth's faux pas at the grown-up party was unexpected and hilarious.

Highly recommended. I may go and rent Knocked Up after all.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved it. Being only a few years removed from high school, I can say that this movie definitely captures the awkwardness of not being really cool or a total loser. Being sort of that middle ground sort of kid. The biggest plus of the movie is that ALL OF THE KIDS LOOK 17/18. No-one looks 25 like in something like American Pie or the Breakfast Club. They all still look young and maturing.

I hear the same complaint about it from reviews I heard from Knocked up and Virgin, which the middle of the moving gets boring and plodding, but I love the "hijinks" part of the movie. The Adult Party was great.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw it this weekend and loved it.

Packed crowd, as were all the movies I saw this weekend as people rushed to get out of the 100+ heat in LA.

I ended up sitting between two different through similar couples - college age, Asian. For some odd reason, the girls were next to the empty seat, which I took when they both politely said it wasn't taken.

Irony - though this movie is extremely a Guy Movie, especially a Young Males Movie, I was stunned by how much those two 18-20 year old girls were laughing their asses off during the movie. Sure, their boyfriends and I were damn near on the floor with laughter. But those two were as well, and not in a nervous, "We're suppose to laugh here because our boyfriends are" way. In fact, at times they were quicker on the uptake than their boyfriends in getting the jokes.

I was surprised, but perhaps girls of today, young enough to be my daughter, have far raunchier senses of humor that they did back in my day. :)

Anyway... on the movie...

It was really well plotted out. Comedy of errors where the trick is always to think of "What disaster can I throw the guys into next", which often can be over the top. This *was* over the top... but different things led nicely to others, while other strands were picked up later.

McLovin and The Cops tended to be some of the best humor, even if the least believable. So funny you didn't give a shit at times whether it made sense... though in the end it tied up nicely with the "Cock Blocking" scene and their finale together with the Car. All of which tied in nicely to the Cops earlier sowing the seeds of needing McLovin to explain the damage of the Car.

Michael Cera (Evan) is a fine actor and nailed his role. Jonah Hill was nearly perfect as Seth, which was the easier role for the most part since it allowed for going over the top. Rogen and Hader were terrific as the two fucked up cops.

My only minor negative is that Becca and especially Jules were "above the level" of Evan and Seth. Or perhaps better put - there wasn't anything flashed early on why Becca and Jules would find Our Two Heros worth giving a look at.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good movie. Not quite as funny as I expected, but well worth the time. It could've used a little more establishment of motives for the girls having any genuine interest in the guys, but otherwise was solid.

Not quite Knocked Up, but still a good time.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdw wrote:
My only minor negative is that Becca and especially Jules were "above the level" of Evan and Seth. Or perhaps better put - there wasn't anything flashed early on why Becca and Jules would find Our Two Heros worth giving a look at.


It's more played up that Becca has liked Evan for a while. So thats more just her being attracted to him.

As for Jules, its explained at the Convenience Store that Jules has always been really cool with Seth, even when she got "really hot" over the summer. The problem with the Foods class was it seemed like the two had never talked before and he was amazed to work with her. They really didn't make them seem like friends from different crowds, but I think that was the idea. When he has his teary eyed explanation with her, you get the idea she has always liked Seth, but shes a bit more respectable of a woman.

That's what I got out of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jdw wrote:
My only minor negative is that Becca and especially Jules were "above the level" of Evan and Seth. Or perhaps better put - there wasn't anything flashed early on why Becca and Jules would find Our Two Heros worth giving a look at.


It's more played up that Becca has liked Evan for a while. So thats more just her being attracted to him.


Yeah... I got that. They never explained why she wanted to suck his cock. Simply that she did. Some dropped line on *why* she'd long liked him would have been nice:

"I've always had a soft spot for you since you helped me with homework through 5th grade math."

"Really?"

"Yeah..."

Something... anything. Because let's face it - she's kinda cute, Evan doesn't flash *any* skill in talking to girls or that he ever was going to make any moves (for fucks sake - they were all graduating... times up)... at some point in Jr or Sr year at school, a line of guys would have shown her attention and gobbled her up.


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As for Jules, its explained at the Convenience Store that Jules has always been really cool with Seth, even when she got "really hot" over the summer. The problem with the Foods class was it seemed like the two had never talked before and he was amazed to work with her. They really didn't make them seem like friends from different crowds, but I think that was the idea. When he has his teary eyed explanation with her, you get the idea she has always liked Seth, but shes a bit more respectable of a woman.


I like how the scene plays out when he's loaded - you do get more of a glimpse of her. I would have liked more bread crumbs on the "really cool with Seth" part. Anything... like he always made her laugh back in 8th grade science when cutting up the class. I agree with you on the "different circles" things... though she pertty clearly was in a *much* higher circle - her blond friend was hot as hell, and she was able to throw a party that got damn near everyone in school to show up. :)

It could have used just a few more, "better" lines dropped in. The "I always liked you" storyline is a fine enough one for me - it don't completely dismiss it as a cliche, even if it is. :) But I'd like just a bit more.

This movie took a lot of time with a lot of things. The whole "Seth's Cock Drawing" piece was a fucking riot (another thing that had the 18-20 years babes on either side of me laughing their ass off while their boyfriends and I were on the floor). But it also had plenty of time given you it - it wasn't just a throwaway line, and instantly Becca picks up the piece of paper. There was some was some funny shit there before the payoff. :)

I would have liked just a bit of that given to their "always liked you" element. Wouldn't have taken but a few more lines. You would "sense" it in the scene in the hall between Becca and Evan. But it would have been nice to articulate the "why".

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely agree it would have been nice, but this was a long movie as it is. You would likely have to cut out the adult party to fit it in, and that had a great fight, the singing scene and the "Blood Brothers" bit, that had me dying. I think that was a role that the girls you were near liked ;)

You also have to remember that Becca was piss drunk and the next day realized how foolish she acted. I think we've all run to girls who simply liked us, got smashed, and then was willing to sleep with us. But outside the classroom, Becca showed kind of a sign that she was really interested in him and he was just too naive to realize (I dealt with that... a lot...).

Jules friend was smoking hot. The party thing isn't too much of a stretch. I guess you have to remember the movie was written when Evan and Seth were in high school, so a lot of it is just "things you expect". I knew people who could give one day notice and have 250 people show up. As well, when Seth is crying to Jules he explains how nice she has always been to him. You can figure that out to be if she was in a much higher popularity circle, she still took time out to be casual with him. Thats a big effect on a relatively geeky kid.

Again, we might have been looking at a good 10-20 minutes more of movie to get the explanations.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eron wrote:
I completely agree it would have been nice, but this was a long movie as it is. You would likely have to cut out the adult party to fit it in, and that had a great fight, the singing scene and the "Blood Brothers" bit, that had me dying. I think that was a role that the girls you were near liked ;)


I confess - I'm not sure how the babes reacted to the Blood Brothers bit. Every *male* in the audiance was going "OOOOO! EEEEUUUUHHHHH!" that it drowned out specific comments and laughs. :)


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You also have to remember that Becca was piss drunk and the next day realized how foolish she acted. I think we've all run to girls who simply liked us, got smashed, and then was willing to sleep with us.


Yes... and I was quite the noble male not to take advantage of it. ;)


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But outside the classroom, Becca showed kind of a sign that she was really interested in him and he was just too naive to realize (I dealt with that... a lot...).


I agree - it was there. What I was looking for was the "why". Just a paragraph. :) Because while we know Evan's not a bad guy, especially relative to Seth, there really isn't anything there on what draws Becca to him... other than the desire to suck his cock. I think we need to confess that's a little thin on reasoning. :)


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Jules friend was smoking hot.


Totally.

I do like that McLovin hooks up at the party with the Thong Girl that was talked about earlier. That's one of the nice things about the movie - it does tie things together.

But it would have been funny if McLovin and Jules Hot Friend has... *something*. Some moment where something from McLovin's Adventures With The Cops that somehow got once short scene of him turning her head. :)


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The party thing isn't too much of a stretch. I guess you have to remember the movie was written when Evan and Seth were in high school, so a lot of it is just "things you expect". I knew people who could give one day notice and have 250 people show up.


I don't disagree... except...

If Seth and Evan threw a party, even with loads of booze, *they* couldn't get 250 people to show up. You're less removed from high school than I am... but in my day, there were different levels of folks who could "draw" a good sized party crowd. Average Joe Kids could pull a decent sized crowd simply with the booze and whatnot. But "losers" (for lack of a better word) couldn't draw that level of a crowd. I get the feeling that while Seth and Evan might not be total losers, they down in the lower 25% range:

Normal HS Kid #1: "What's up Saturday night?"

Normal HS Kid #2: "I hear that fat guy Seth is having a party."

Normal HS Kid #1: "That loser? Fuck that."

That's the conversation I have in the head.

Jules... she's a bit rough on the edges, she might not be part of the Elite Snobs of the School (despite the hot friend)... but she comes across as no worse than in the Middle of the Popularity Scale.

Normal HS Kid #1: "What's up Saturday night?"

Normal HS Kid #2: "I hear Jules is having a party."

Normal HS Kid #1: "Jules?"

Normal HS Kid #2: "Dark haired girl in Home Ecc."

Normal HS Kid #1: "Oh... she's alright. What time?"

The reality - SuperBad plays to our fantasies:

If we're a fat slub pain in the add like Seth, was can get some hot babe.

If we're a quite, tongue tied but generally nice guy like Evan, we can get some hot babe.

If we're a total nerd like McLovin, we can get some hottie.

I guess my point is that I would have liked them going 100% in giving the breadcrumbs rather than 50%.


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As well, when Seth is crying to Jules he explains how nice she has always been to him. You can figure that out to be if she was in a much higher popularity circle, she still took time out to be casual with him. Thats a big effect on a relatively geeky kid.


Like I said - I liked how *that* scene was handled. It did give you Seth's view of Jules. I'm going for something earlier, few sentences from Jules to Hot Babe Friend who asks a "what do you see in him?" type of question.


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Again, we might have been looking at a good 10-20 minutes more of movie to get the explanations.


I'm not looking for 10-20 minutes. That was always what got tossed at me in arguments about adapting Tolkien - it would be a five hour movie if everything I wanted was put in. :) And it was bullshit.

One paragraph by Jules and one paragraph by Becca, which is 2-4 sentences. Quick, in, out.

It doesn't take much. Notice how you're able to reference *Seth* telling Jules that she always treated him nice. That was a short part of a longer scene. They could have had a short comment by Hot Babe Friend and Jules either after Seth left when agreeing to get the boose, or later after Seth was on the phone saying he had the booze and was on the way. It doesn't take much.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do want to get across - I really dig the movie. I wouldn't call these nitpicks, but I also didn't want to have it be thought that I marked for the film, it was flawless, 100% perfect, etc. So:

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My only minor negative is that Becca and especially Jules were "above the level" of Evan and Seth. Or perhaps better put - there wasn't anything flashed early on why Becca and Jules would find Our Two Heros worth giving a look at.


And I think that's valid. It wasn't a trainwreck level negative, and one tends to accept it in this genre. :) But it would be the one area that could have helped... and also rounded out Jules and Becca a bit more.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, a line or two would have been good, and they used that in the Convinience Store scene to establish some stuff. However, after watching the Drawing Dicks scene, I think something explaining Becca or Jules liking Seth and Evan would get a great montage, and I'm pretty sure the writers considered that too.

You don't have to backpedal on your comment. Little things like that are good to dissect. It gives you something to look for in another movie similar to this (Though I honestly feel this is the most realistic high school movie I've seen out of hollywood).

As for the mention of different circles, definitely a party where Seth or Evan threw would get a small crowd. However, there is generally three groups of kids in high school (When I went): Kids who everone knew and liked, kids everyone knew and hated, and kids no-one knew. The kids everyone knew and hated were still invited everywhere because everyone knew them. The kids everyone knew and liked had a tendency to become the Student Council or be approachable to even the kids no-one knew. The kids no-one knew, well... thats Seth and Evan.

Someone like Jules reminds me of a girl I knew in high school who was in the popular crowd and was "Hottest Girl in School" in the Year Book but would take the time to talk to anyone and be nice to them. She had the popular, snooty friends but didn't judge like them, so other kids would dig her. A girl like that could throw a party and in 8 hours there would be a full house.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for the mention of different circles, definitely a party where Seth or Evan threw would get a small crowd. However, there is generally three groups of kids in high school (When I went): Kids who everone knew and liked, kids everyone knew and hated, and kids no-one knew. The kids everyone knew and hated were still invited everywhere because everyone knew them. The kids everyone knew and liked had a tendency to become the Student Council or be approachable to even the kids no-one knew. The kids no-one knew, well... thats Seth and Evan.


I think Evan and Seth are portrayed closer to "Dorks" or "Nerds", who while not "hated" are people that the higher niches of kids in the school wouldn't associate with. We might call McLovin the truer Nerd... but that three were hanging out together the prior weeken drinking beer, watching porn and trying to get into a club. Evan and Seth were at best borderline Nerds.


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Someone like Jules reminds me of a girl I knew in high school who was in the popular crowd and was "Hottest Girl in School" in the Year Book but would take the time to talk to anyone and be nice to them. She had the popular, snooty friends but didn't judge like them, so other kids would dig her. A girl like that could throw a party and in 8 hours there would be a full house.


One gets the feeling that Becca having the big party fits.

My point - the girl you're talking about Would Not Fuck A Fat Nerd! :)

And that's Seth - there wasn't enough in the script to help pull him up out of Fat Nerd level, or why Becca saw him as more than Fat Nerd - that he actually was a good guy, or made her laught, or asked her one day why she was crying and she was able to get some support and always remembered it (and he never thought anything about it). Lots of stuff... I could come up with one in five minutes. :)


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